x-rays - No joking please

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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

2003-11-21 08:19:24 UTC

As always, Vaughn, an excellent reply!

Joel

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:58:41 GMT, "Vaughn"

No amount of ionising radiation is healthy.

You won't find me in the "Ionizing Radiation Fan Club" but considering
that ionizing radiation is apparently a component of the natural selection
process and apparently contributes to genetic diversity, a case could be
made that a small amount of radiation contributes to the health of the human
race, if not individual humans.
Vaughn

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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

2003-11-21 08:20:50 UTC

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I agree. I started blocking myself and the newsgroup was much eaiser
to read.

Joel

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:43:02 -0500, "Carlo Hoskins"

I have J..E..... blocked so I never see his posts -- makes SMD much better.
It's a pity too because he has a quick wit, but couple that with his "no
restraint" policy and he often comes off sounding juvenile. Besides, no
matter what he says, he won't change me. Profanity appeals to me, but I
generally reserve its use for little snivelling weasel types...if I haven't
already blocked them. Just plonked Mandinka a few minutes ago.

Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

2003-11-21 08:24:42 UTC

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Oh I am the opposite. I am a confronter, I guess, to serve my own
needs and my own interests. Basically I learn from anyone else, but
mainly when their back is against the wall.

The people who are truly committed to their cause will respond to the
end ~ this even includes folks like Mr. Jan Drew who has been
extremely helpful in explaining to us how the "opposition" thinks.

This is valuable in my real-world duties ,,,,,,, I am prepared to
counter all forms of nonsense such as EAV - electrodermal screening
according to Voll, the "quasi-scientific" basis for anti root canal
rhetoric!

Joel M. Eichen

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:12:09 GMT, "Tony Bad"

I have come to the conclusion that my time would be better spent avoiding,
instead of responding to people that irritate me. Real life has no killfile, so
we are forced to deal with people that bugs us. Here, things are different, so I
will take advantage of it and take better advantage of the ability to erase
people from my virtual world.
plonk...plonk...plonk...several new members of the dead letter file.
T

Sorry I disagree. Graphic language has no place on usenet, in person,
or anywhere else.
Joel

Perhaps not, but when one takes time to respond to someone's question only

have that answer picked at by a few anal retentive snipers, I can

understand

that it would come to that....some people don't deserve to be treated

civilly or

politely.
I was going to add something about the irony of you commenting on proper

appropriate
content on the usenet...but I will try to conduct myself with more

restraint

from now on.
T

Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

2003-11-21 08:25:56 UTC

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Sorry I disagree. Graphic language has no place on usenet, in person,
or anywhere else.
Joel

Not at all Joel, these two jokers show their true niveau when they
resort to/approve of graphic language.. Sad.

REPLY:

We agree but I am missing the meaning of "niveau."

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:37:11 GMT, "Tony Bad"

I could also rephrase the whole shooting match and tell you to kiss my
,,expletive deleted ,,,
--
Carlo

That is what I wanted to say but couldn't find a way to put it as succinctly!
T

madiba

2003-11-22 14:22:39 UTC

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Post by Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

Sorry I disagree. Graphic language has no place on usenet, in person,
or anywhere else.
Joel

Not at all Joel, these two jokers show their true niveau when they
resort to/approve of graphic language.. Sad.

We agree but I am missing the meaning of "niveau."

try 'class' or 'colors' as synonyms.

Post by Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:37:11 GMT, "Tony Bad"

I could also rephrase the whole shooting match and tell you to kiss my
,,expletive deleted ,,,
--
Carlo

That is what I wanted to say but couldn't find a way to put it as succinctly!
T

--
madiba

Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

2003-11-22 14:58:23 UTC

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Thank you!

Post by madiba

Post by Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

Sorry I disagree. Graphic language has no place on usenet, in person,
or anywhere else.
Joel

Not at all Joel, these two jokers show their true niveau when they
resort to/approve of graphic language.. Sad.

We agree but I am missing the meaning of "niveau."

try 'class' or 'colors' as synonyms.

Post by Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:37:11 GMT, "Tony Bad"

I could also rephrase the whole shooting match and tell you to kiss my
,,expletive deleted ,,,
--
Carlo

That is what I wanted to say but couldn't find a way to put it as succinctly!
T

Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

2003-11-21 08:29:04 UTC

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Yup, and that brings to the forefront the difference between 90 kVp
and 65 kVp machines. I have found that 95% of the dentists, dental
hygienists, and dental assistants who are certified to push the button
do not understand what ionization generators do.

Every x-ray exposure guide has 90 and 65 kVp listed with DIFFERENT
exposure times but people RESIST learning what it is.

Joel

These are also called photons. A photon from an x-ray has a lot more
energy than a photon from the sun. In fact a photon from an x-ray can
ionize atoms. That can create quite a problem.

Yup. Please see UVA and DNA repair issues too! Fortunately nature
knows how to fix these problems (most of the time!)

The diff is the UVA is superficial, x-rays tend to go right through..

Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

2003-11-21 08:30:35 UTC

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SMD is mostly about joking but there is excellent information mixed in
between. This is called the "strip-tease" theory of learning. It is
more interesting if its done a little at a time!

Joel

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:19:29 GMT, "Linda"

Ha! This group cannot follow the "no joking" request if it's life depended
on it.
But nevertheless - excellent information and dialogue coming out here. Good
work guys.
Linda.

If its the dental assistant, maybe she's checking her makeup .....
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 11:17:34 GMT, "Vaughn"

If so, why do they have to put a piece
of protection before your body? Why does the operator go
hide behind a wall?

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Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

2003-11-21 08:34:20 UTC

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Not at all. We answer honest questions with honest replies. We answer
"dentist-baiting" with crappola that you yourself purport to be the
truth!

Claiming "in de-NILE and ly-y-y-y-y-y-ing" are not functions of the
CDC, the NIH, the USPHS, the dental schools .....

Joel

You are to be commended. So you are saying that the CDC and the EPA
are in de-NILE or they are lying. Wait! Jan where are you? We need
help here.
Joel M. Eichen DDS

That's a surprising response from a professional.
Hey Susan,
I questioned the use of panoramic X-rays when they first came out.
After all, to the uninitiated it does give the feeling that one would
glow in the dark after leaving the dentist's office.
What I learned is that there are tradeoffs in most professions esp
when they involve health.
If you don't want the X-Rays, then the dentist will ask you to sign a
waiver, because X-Rays are an extremely valuable tool for a dentist to
discover small problems before they get big.

Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

2003-11-21 08:34:53 UTC

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100% correct!

If you don't want the X-Rays, then the dentist will ask you to sign a
waiver, because X-Rays are an extremely valuable tool for a dentist to
discover small problems before they get big.

A patient cannot consent to treatment which is below the standard of
care.

Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

2003-11-21 08:36:45 UTC

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Absolutely required! Pulling a tooth without asessing the underlying
pathology or absence thereof, can be lethal, as in hemangioma or
something!

Joel

If you don't want the X-Rays, then the dentist will ask you to sign a
waiver, because X-Rays are an extremely valuable tool for a dentist to
discover small problems before they get big.

A patient cannot consent to treatment which is below the standard of
care.

Are X-Rays required as standard care?
Shortly after panoramic X-Rays came out a new dentist wanted a set on
me. I just heard about X-Ray concerns, so I was uncomfortable with
the big nozzle that was going to rotate around my jaw while everybody
else scurried out of the room. I talked to the dentist. He was very
considerate, described what he understood as the risk, showed me the
waiver and explained how limiting the loss of those X-Rays would be in
his diagnosis.
I had a choice, so I made another appointment, went out to investigate
it over the week and returned to let him take the pix. I appreciated
his respect of my decision even though it may not have been his.
I don't get this anal over things, but a few years prior, I had cobalt
radiation treatments that were hell to go through. I wanted my
concerns put at ease before I made an irrevocable decision.
Mike

Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

2003-11-21 08:37:51 UTC

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or film .....

If you don't want the X-Rays, then the dentist will ask you to sign a
waiver, because X-Rays are an extremely valuable tool for a dentist to
discover small problems before they get big.

A patient cannot consent to treatment which is below the standard of
care.

Are X-Rays required as standard care?

X-rays appropriate to the situation are the standard of care. For
example, an extraction of any kind requires an x-ray. The patient cannot
sign a release absolving a dentist of responsibility for problems that could
have been forseen by x-ray. Any release signed by the patient in this
situation will not hold up in court.
Steve

Before this discussion progresses further some terms must be
defined.
Roentgen named the rays from the cathode tube as *X-Rays*
due to their previously unknown presence and properties.
What we as dentists review are the *Radiographs* which
are made by exposing some type of sensor to *X-Rays*.
</soap box mode>
WB

Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.

2003-11-21 08:39:56 UTC

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Thanks. What nucleonic sources?

Joel

On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:35:51 GMT, Marvin L. Zinn

Pay attention to exactly how these statements are made.
Most likely what was REALLY said is, for example, that
your dosage of radiation in a year is less than what
you would get walking back and forth from your car
every day. This statement could well be true because
the total amount of radiation from x-rays occurs during
a very short period of time (perhaps one second) and
what is really important is the accumulated total over
a much longer period.
I have worked with nucleonic sources most of my life. I
don't worry about occasional x-rays, but I would be
concerned about more than one or two sets in a year.
marvin
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Marvin L. Zinn

2003-11-22 15:32:41 UTC

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Industrial measurement devices, pulp and paper.

marvin

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