Advice on PERIODONTAL DISEASE?

[Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.]

On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:58:21 -0500, Carey Gregory

So, I went to the Dentist yesterday for a routine/regular exam/cleaning,
and to my HORROR, I was devastated to learn I had ''irreversable'' gum
disease(comfirmed by x-ray) I'm 42, and extremely healthy otherwise.

Old dentist or new dentist and how long since you have been there?

X-rays showed some ''bone loss''(no cavities, I brush/floss daily!) gum
line is ''receding'' in some areas, but I've NEVER had bleeding
gums/pain or anything like that.

K

The Dentist politely refused to clean

my teeth anyway and referred me to a Periodontist for comfirmaton.

Correct! He is up on the current standard of care.

What

are my options here? I know GINGIVITIS and the like are common, but I'm
confounded as to what CAUSED this and what to expect. Thanks in advance,
Vic.

Got insurance? Oh, sorry kidding .........

More details should follow before diagnosis and treatment
recommendations .......

Seems a bit dubious to me, but follow-ups directed to sci.med.dentistry
where they might know something about this. Look for answers there.

THANKS!
--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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[Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.]

OK, I'm on this newsgroup now, hopefully someone will answer my question
here. I am shocked I discovered I have ''Gum Disease.''

Old dentist or new dentist and how long since your last visit there?

I've done
everything I'm supposed to do!!(Brush,Floss,) I guess if I can get it,
ANYONE can. Subtle scare tactics were used like this can spread to the
Heart(gulp!) and you can lose your teeth.

Nope, those are dental hygienist misinformations .....

(Sorry Linda and Tony ,,,,, not you guys of course!)

Jeez! All I did was go in for
my regular exam/cleaning, and I get this?? ALL I want to know is HOW
does a Periodontist treat for this?? What can I expect?? What CAUSED
this?? I have no cavities, no bleeding of gums, NO pain....I'm
concerned..confounded....scared.

Pockets here?


Joel
--
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Philadelphia PA

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[Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.]

Not in my day ,,,, oh there was one ,,,,,,, personally I like women
dentists!


Joel

Were there any girl dental students at your school?
And
were they discriminated against?
There was a very nice meeting fo the
stomatological
society at my school. Elsa was the only girl there
and
nobody spoke to her. All one person had to say was
"Hello
Elsa, it's nice to see you." and it would have made
a
difference! I have little tolerance for
discrimination
against girl dentists. How do you feel?
Jim

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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[Anth]

Hi
http://www.nelsonfamilydentistry.com/NutVitaminC.html
For more information http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/
Anth

"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

[Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.]

Thanks,

I was always fond of all of them and I was very sad when Rickey died
in that plane crash.

Post by Anth
Hi
http://www.nelsonfamilydentistry.com/NutVitaminC.html
For more information http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/
Anth

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Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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[Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.]

Maybe yes, maybe no. The hygienists do not like cutting into their
money one bit though.

See your hygienist *OR* eat red and green peppers, guavas, papayas and
mangoes, broccoli, red cabbage and cauliflower, strawberries and
raspberries, spinach and tomatoes, oysters, soybeans, cantaloupe and
honeydew .... instead of just Big Macs.





*****

****

Vitamin C Helps You Keep Your Gums Healthy

If you have tender, swollen gums that bleed when you brush or floss,
your diet may be to blame. A study published in the August 2000 issue
of the Journal of Periodontology found that people who don't get at
least 60 milligrams of vitamin C per day (the minimum daily amount
recommended for adults over age fifteen) have higher rates of
periodontal disease than those who get less than this amount.

In another study, to measure the effects of vitamin C deficiency on
gum health, researchers at the University of California San Francisco
School of Dentistry fed eleven men rotating diets for fourteen weeks.
The diet purposely excluded all fruits and vegetables, which are
typically high in vitamin C. During some weeks, the men were given a
vitamin C supplement dissolved in grape juice. At the end of the
study, researchers found that the men's gums bled more during the
weeks that they received no vitamin C. When they received the vitamin
C supplement, their gums bled less.


How does vitamin C help to keep your gums healthy?


Simply put, your body needs adequate vitamin C to strengthen your
bones and blood vessels, to anchor your teeth into your gums, and to
form the intracellular cement your body needs for growth, tissue
repair and wound healing. Vitamin C can also strengthen weakened gum
tissue and make it more resistant to penetration by disease-causing
bacteria.

When your gums bleed when you brush or floss, and are irritated,
tender, swollen or red, you may have early gum disease, called
gingivitis. This is caused by food particles and bacteria left on your
teeth combining to form plaque, which hardens on your teeth and
becomes tartar (also called calculus). The bacteria in plaque infect
your gums, and cause them to pull back and away from your teeth
(recede), forming pockets where even more bacteria can hide and
reproduce. If it's not taken care of, this infection starts attacking
the roots of your teeth and the bone in your jaw, causing irreversible
damage which can lead to bone loss.


Foods high in vitamin C


Many fruits and vegetables are great sources of vitamin C, but since
exposure to oxygen destroys vitamin C in foods, it's important that
you eat them soon after they've been cut open. For example, a sliced
cantaloupe left uncovered in the refrigerator loses 35 percent of its
vitamin C in less than twenty-four hours. Following are foods that are
high in vitamin C:
Orange Juice


red and green peppers
guavas, papayas and mangoes
broccoli, red cabbage and cauliflower
strawberries and raspberries
spinach and tomatoes
oysters
soybeans
cantaloupe and honeydew





*****

Post by Anth
Hi
http://www.nelsonfamilydentistry.com/NutVitaminC.html
For more information http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/
Anth

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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be obtained through consultation
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that patient or is familiar with
that patient's dental history.

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[Anth]

Natures sweeties - the way it was intended!
Anth

Post by Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
Maybe yes, maybe no. The hygienists do not like cutting into their
money one bit though.
See your hygienist *OR* eat red and green peppers, guavas, papayas and
mangoes, broccoli, red cabbage and cauliflower, strawberries and
raspberries, spinach and tomatoes, oysters, soybeans, cantaloupe and
honeydew .... instead of just Big Macs.
*****
****
Vitamin C Helps You Keep Your Gums Healthy
If you have tender, swollen gums that bleed when you brush or floss,
your diet may be to blame. A study published in the August 2000 issue
of the Journal of Periodontology found that people who don't get at
least 60 milligrams of vitamin C per day (the minimum daily amount
recommended for adults over age fifteen) have higher rates of
periodontal disease than those who get less than this amount.
In another study, to measure the effects of vitamin C deficiency on
gum health, researchers at the University of California San Francisco
School of Dentistry fed eleven men rotating diets for fourteen weeks.
The diet purposely excluded all fruits and vegetables, which are
typically high in vitamin C. During some weeks, the men were given a
vitamin C supplement dissolved in grape juice. At the end of the
study, researchers found that the men's gums bled more during the
weeks that they received no vitamin C. When they received the vitamin
C supplement, their gums bled less.
How does vitamin C help to keep your gums healthy?
Simply put, your body needs adequate vitamin C to strengthen your
bones and blood vessels, to anchor your teeth into your gums, and to
form the intracellular cement your body needs for growth, tissue
repair and wound healing. Vitamin C can also strengthen weakened gum
tissue and make it more resistant to penetration by disease-causing
bacteria.
When your gums bleed when you brush or floss, and are irritated,
tender, swollen or red, you may have early gum disease, called
gingivitis. This is caused by food particles and bacteria left on your
teeth combining to form plaque, which hardens on your teeth and
becomes tartar (also called calculus). The bacteria in plaque infect
your gums, and cause them to pull back and away from your teeth
(recede), forming pockets where even more bacteria can hide and
reproduce. If it's not taken care of, this infection starts attacking
the roots of your teeth and the bone in your jaw, causing irreversible
damage which can lead to bone loss.
Foods high in vitamin C
Many fruits and vegetables are great sources of vitamin C, but since
exposure to oxygen destroys vitamin C in foods, it's important that
you eat them soon after they've been cut open. For example, a sliced
cantaloupe left uncovered in the refrigerator loses 35 percent of its
vitamin C in less than twenty-four hours. Following are foods that are
Orange Juice
red and green peppers
guavas, papayas and mangoes
broccoli, red cabbage and cauliflower
strawberries and raspberries
spinach and tomatoes
oysters
soybeans
cantaloupe and honeydew
*****

Post by Anth
Hi
http://www.nelsonfamilydentistry.com/NutVitaminC.html
For more information http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/
Anth

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA
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of an individual patient should
be obtained through consultation
with a dentist who has examined
that patient or is familiar with
that patient's dental history.
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[Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.]

Yup we agree. Dental hygienists are "nature's sweeties ...."

Post by Anth
Natures sweeties - the way it was intended!
Anth

Post by Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.
Maybe yes, maybe no. The hygienists do not like cutting into their
money one bit though.
See your hygienist *OR* eat red and green peppers, guavas, papayas and
mangoes, broccoli, red cabbage and cauliflower, strawberries and
raspberries, spinach and tomatoes, oysters, soybeans, cantaloupe and
honeydew .... instead of just Big Macs.
*****
****
Vitamin C Helps You Keep Your Gums Healthy
If you have tender, swollen gums that bleed when you brush or floss,
your diet may be to blame. A study published in the August 2000 issue
of the Journal of Periodontology found that people who don't get at
least 60 milligrams of vitamin C per day (the minimum daily amount
recommended for adults over age fifteen) have higher rates of
periodontal disease than those who get less than this amount.
In another study, to measure the effects of vitamin C deficiency on
gum health, researchers at the University of California San Francisco
School of Dentistry fed eleven men rotating diets for fourteen weeks.
The diet purposely excluded all fruits and vegetables, which are
typically high in vitamin C. During some weeks, the men were given a
vitamin C supplement dissolved in grape juice. At the end of the
study, researchers found that the men's gums bled more during the
weeks that they received no vitamin C. When they received the vitamin
C supplement, their gums bled less.
How does vitamin C help to keep your gums healthy?
Simply put, your body needs adequate vitamin C to strengthen your
bones and blood vessels, to anchor your teeth into your gums, and to
form the intracellular cement your body needs for growth, tissue
repair and wound healing. Vitamin C can also strengthen weakened gum
tissue and make it more resistant to penetration by disease-causing
bacteria.
When your gums bleed when you brush or floss, and are irritated,
tender, swollen or red, you may have early gum disease, called
gingivitis. This is caused by food particles and bacteria left on your
teeth combining to form plaque, which hardens on your teeth and
becomes tartar (also called calculus). The bacteria in plaque infect
your gums, and cause them to pull back and away from your teeth
(recede), forming pockets where even more bacteria can hide and
reproduce. If it's not taken care of, this infection starts attacking
the roots of your teeth and the bone in your jaw, causing irreversible
damage which can lead to bone loss.
Foods high in vitamin C
Many fruits and vegetables are great sources of vitamin C, but since
exposure to oxygen destroys vitamin C in foods, it's important that
you eat them soon after they've been cut open. For example, a sliced
cantaloupe left uncovered in the refrigerator loses 35 percent of its
vitamin C in less than twenty-four hours. Following are foods that are
Orange Juice
red and green peppers
guavas, papayas and mangoes
broccoli, red cabbage and cauliflower
strawberries and raspberries
spinach and tomatoes
oysters
soybeans
cantaloupe and honeydew
*****

Post by Anth
Hi
http://www.nelsonfamilydentistry.com/NutVitaminC.html
For more information http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/
Anth

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA
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Advice on the treatment or care
of an individual patient should
be obtained through consultation
with a dentist who has examined
that patient or is familiar with
that patient's dental history.
STANDARD DISCLAIMER

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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Advice on the treatment or care
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that patient or is familiar with
that patient's dental history.

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[Joel M. Eichen D.D.S.]

OK I give up. Where is Ozzie?

http://tinyurl.com/vz72

Post by Anth
Hi
http://www.nelsonfamilydentistry.com/NutVitaminC.html
For more information http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/
Anth

--
Joel M. Eichen, .
Philadelphia PA

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that patient's dental history.

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